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  • 4/5 and I never use her.

    Same. She was a very occasional Gauntlet choice for me, but now I could only see it if she was a 45% crit or better. We’ve been so inundated with DIP primaries that with her relatively poor bases she would never crack a shuttle for me that wasn’t a hologram event.

    As was said at the time, she’s just a re-skinned Changeling Founder, who herself is a consensus bottom feeder legendary. That tells you all you need to know.
  • Shy KhanShy Khan ✭✭✭✭✭
    I’m primarily a card collector player, but I have been using her during this current com/dip Voyage period at 4/5.
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  • [7TW] UnkieB[7TW] UnkieB ✭✭✭✭✭
    4/5 and I never use her.

    Same, she's way down the list below many 4/4's and 1/5's.
  • S31S31 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have humbled Archer at 4/5, now that is a truly great card!
  • Never used Minuet for anything outside that Mega-Event that featured her, for gauntlet i have Guinan and everything else she's just not good enough, so still at 4/5 for me also and she will Never Ever get a citation lol what a waste of 50k honor. Its a shame theres no frosty option for the not worthy 4/5's lol
  • AdiAdi ✭✭
    Play for almost a year. FF for me she is second in CMD and third in DIP and fly with every shuttle.
    We could have a "I'm to good for this game" option and the sistem will randomly reasign the crew we didn't use to somebody else who will love it. 😁
  • Mr. LincolnMr. Lincoln ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe if you posted a picture I might remember this crew
  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17
    I have her at 5/5 and she does decent work in my crew as a secondary or even tertiary card - she'll make the occasional CMD/DIP voyage when she has a trait match, and gets some work on shuttles when most of my top CMD/DIP crew are too busy with events or voyages. She's even made it onto the occasional Gauntlet, but I typically regret that choice - will only use her if she gets at least a 45% Crit now.

    She's not going to win any awards for best card any time soon, but I don't regret using that citation on her either.
  • Average GuyAverage Guy ✭✭✭✭
    robownage wrote: »
    I have her at 5/5 and she does decent work in my crew as a secondary or even tertiary card - she'll make the occasional CMD/DIP voyage when she has a trait match, and gets some work on shuttles when most of my top CMD/DIP crew are too busy with events or voyages. She's even made it onto the occasional Gauntlet, but I typically regret that choice - will only use her if she gets at least a 45% Crit now.

    She's not going to win any awards for best card any time soon, but I don't regret using that citation on her either.

    I don't regret using the citation either. I have gotten my 50k worth of honour out of her but I guess we are the minority.
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    4/5 and I never use her.

    Same for me as well. If the Klingon mega and hologram mega had been switched, I probably would have gotten more use out of her (and bothered to put that last star on her). As it is, we’ve gotten too many good diplomats from other sources for her to be useful to a very large number of players.
  • 5000 Quatloos5000 Quatloos ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17
    Since November, when I started use-logging ('cause I cray-cray):

    Daily Shuttle Use: 10% (last: Feb 5th)
    Voyage Use: 7% (last: Feb 17th)
    Gauntlet Use: 4% (last: Jan 12th)
    Event Use: 2% (last: Dec 22nd)

    (I have her at 5/5)

    That works out to a chance of being in use at any given time of 22%, though her star(s) are dropping with some other DIP recently cited up. (My other DIP's above her are Sato 5/5 [73%], Prophet 5/5 [65%], Interfaced La Forge [64%], Changeling Martok 5/5 [47%], Humbled Archer 3/5 [25%], though recently immortalized Zhian'tara will be climbing to #2 over time, in all likelihood. Below her are Klingon Bride Jadzia [21%], Dancing Uhura 4/5 [16%], Klingon O'Brien [10%], then a bundle of other SRs and/or 1/5 or 2/5 legendaries.

    Her double-1000+ bases are what earn her 3rd string shuttle use, I think because I'm obstinate on loading seats in their right AND order. If I didn't I think the 10% would be a little lower given my crew.
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    Her double-1000+ bases are what earn her 3rd string shuttle use, I think because I'm obstinate on loading seats in their right AND order. If I didn't I think the 10% would be a little lower given my crew.

    I’m glad to know I am not alone in being stubborn about AND slot order. That still doesn’t help Minuet at 4/5* even though she is nominally my #3 in DIP/COM for shuttles...I guess there aren’t many of that particular slot order in the missions I run, even when my 1/5* Professor Sato and 5/5* Arachnia Janeway are busy on voyages.
  • 5000 Quatloos5000 Quatloos ✭✭✭✭✭
    Her double-1000+ bases are what earn her 3rd string shuttle use, I think because I'm obstinate on loading seats in their right AND order. If I didn't I think the 10% would be a little lower given my crew.

    I’m glad to know I am not alone in being stubborn about AND slot order. That still doesn’t help Minuet at 4/5* even though she is nominally my #3 in DIP/COM for shuttles...I guess there aren’t many of that particular slot order in the missions I run, even when my 1/5* Professor Sato and 5/5* Arachnia Janeway are busy on voyages.

    I want to say it really has to be an "all hands on deck" situation for her to have made my shuttles, like the good ones being on voyages AND holding some others back for Galaxy use, or something. The fact that she made it to my voyages shows that I had been neglecting my DIP crew :smiley:

    Since I switched to always running at least one Borg shuttle I'm digging into the deep bench less often, due to the many 1/2 seater's ... I had to run Maquis/Augment/KCA/Terran for a long stretch which gobbled up seats regularly.
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  • Found her to be good shuttle crew (cited all the mega legendaries I got so far), but she rarely makes it on a voyage, maybe 10% of the voyage work megas like surak, ru'afo, bashir do. But... doing 3 or more shuttles a day doesn't mean she is just sitting there and twiddling her thumbs.
  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    She makes it on shuttles occasionally and comes up frequently as a voyage contender, but for voyages there is usually someone almost as qualified who has a third skill. She is on a voyage now, but I don't see myself citing her anytime.
  • IronagedaveIronagedave ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's bad that at 4/5 Minuet get's trumped by someone like Ambassador Shras in a DIp AND Com Seat and thus I ask myself do I really want to spend 50k on something that would only just beat a said purple on a shuttle seat.

    Ok I get she can be used in gauntlet but you don't need to immortalise them for that and she is only fringe material for that as well.
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  • 5000 Quatloos5000 Quatloos ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18
    I think it's bad that at 4/5 Minuet get's trumped by someone like Ambassador Shras in a DIp AND Com Seat and thus I ask myself do I really want to spend 50k on something that would only just beat a said purple on a shuttle seat.

    Ok I get she can be used in gauntlet but you don't need to immortalise them for that and she is only fringe material for that as well.

    She's only fringe in Gauntlet if you don't have a big gaping hole in DIP gauntleteers by being too late to the game to have a Guinan or Surak, by making the 20/20-hindsight wrong call on the Beverly v Kahless investment, and by stupidly passing on Boothby during Elusive Treasures.

    Well, OK, so yes, that's fringe (i.e. me). Point made.

    Looking back, this also reminds me what a snore-fest the ranked rewards were in the Holomega (Gloria, Data V, Musketeer Picard, Captain Silva). Inoffensive individually but in the ensemble, and in comparison to the last two mega's, kind of meh ...
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  • IronagedaveIronagedave ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's bad that at 4/5 Minuet get's trumped by someone like Ambassador Shras in a DIp AND Com Seat and thus I ask myself do I really want to spend 50k on something that would only just beat a said purple on a shuttle seat.

    Ok I get she can be used in gauntlet but you don't need to immortalise them for that and she is only fringe material for that as well.

    She's only fringe in Gauntlet if you don't have a big gaping hole in DIP gauntleteers by being too late to the game to have a Guinan or Surak, by making the 20/20-hindsight wrong call on the Beverly v Kahless investment, and by stupidly passing on Boothby during Elusive Treasures.

    Well, OK, so yes, that's fringe (i.e. me). Point made.

    Looking back, this also reminds me what a snore-fest the ranked rewards were in the Holomega (Gloria, Data V, Musketeer Picard, Captain Silva). Inoffensive individually but in the ensemble, and in comparison to the last two mega's, kind of meh ...

    Possibly but even a purple like Vulcan wedding T'Pol is an ample alternative she may have lower top end proficiency but her starting roll is much higher at the end of the day it all depends on trait match up.
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  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's bad that at 4/5 Minuet get's trumped by someone like Ambassador Shras in a DIp AND Com Seat and thus I ask myself do I really want to spend 50k on something that would only just beat a said purple on a shuttle seat.

    Ok I get she can be used in gauntlet but you don't need to immortalise them for that and she is only fringe material for that as well.

    She's only fringe in Gauntlet if you don't have a big gaping hole in DIP gauntleteers by being too late to the game to have a Guinan or Surak, by making the 20/20-hindsight wrong call on the Beverly v Kahless investment, and by stupidly passing on Boothby during Elusive Treasures.

    Well, OK, so yes, that's fringe (i.e. me). Point made.

    Looking back, this also reminds me what a snore-fest the ranked rewards were in the Holomega (Gloria, Data V, Musketeer Picard, Captain Silva). Inoffensive individually but in the ensemble, and in comparison to the last two mega's, kind of meh ...

    Possibly but even a purple like Vulcan wedding T'Pol is an ample alternative she may have lower top end proficiency but her starting roll is much higher at the end of the day it all depends on trait match up.

    If I didn’t have Guinan, Locutus, or Gowron, I would use T’Pol, Klingon Bride Jadzia, and Abe Lincoln over Minuet, the Founder, and Kai Opaka. And if I only had those last three, I would probably use the Founder over Minuet because her COM proficiency is at least reasonable for a secondary skill.
  • 5000 Quatloos5000 Quatloos ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's bad that at 4/5 Minuet get's trumped by someone like Ambassador Shras in a DIp AND Com Seat and thus I ask myself do I really want to spend 50k on something that would only just beat a said purple on a shuttle seat.

    Ok I get she can be used in gauntlet but you don't need to immortalise them for that and she is only fringe material for that as well.

    She's only fringe in Gauntlet if you don't have a big gaping hole in DIP gauntleteers by being too late to the game to have a Guinan or Surak, by making the 20/20-hindsight wrong call on the Beverly v Kahless investment, and by stupidly passing on Boothby during Elusive Treasures.

    Well, OK, so yes, that's fringe (i.e. me). Point made.

    Looking back, this also reminds me what a snore-fest the ranked rewards were in the Holomega (Gloria, Data V, Musketeer Picard, Captain Silva). Inoffensive individually but in the ensemble, and in comparison to the last two mega's, kind of meh ...

    Possibly but even a purple like Vulcan wedding T'Pol is an ample alternative she may have lower top end proficiency but her starting roll is much higher at the end of the day it all depends on trait match up.

    If I didn’t have Guinan, Locutus, or Gowron, I would use T’Pol, Klingon Bride Jadzia, and Abe Lincoln over Minuet, the Founder, and Kai Opaka. And if I only had those last three, I would probably use the Founder over Minuet because her COM proficiency is at least reasonable for a secondary skill.

    Thanks to both you and @Ironagedave for these suggestions, it'll help me manually tune my Vulcan logic approach ... Mirror T'Pol and KBJ have made it into my "fifth seat" periodically based on my mathemagical rankings ... looking at my gauntleteers with DIP, my fielding has run:

    Minuet: 4%
    KBJ: 8%
    Romulan Picard: 2%
    Gloria: 6%
    Potatohead Martok: 4%
    Mirror T'Pol: 2%
    Crell Moset: 4%

    Seven of Nine and Captain Beverly have much higher use, but they earned their way in for other reasons than DIP.

    I'd say it's a cobble together a triage strategy approach, lacking at least one killer "heavy" (in comparison to the embarrassment of riches in my SCI gauntleteers) My version of @ByloBand 's Caretaker ENG woes, partially-self inflicted since I've had opportunities to have picked Gowron, Boothby, and Surak in begolds, but got distracted by shiny objects :smiley:
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  • DIP is far and away my weakest skill. And yet 4/5 Minuet is 24th in base DIP on my crew. I have 10 active FF/FE super rares ahead of her. I have 7 FE 1/5's ahead of her.

    Maybe I've brought her along on a couple of gauntlets where she has 45% crit, but those are few and far between. And there's been a few voyages. That's the realm of fringe FF/FE super rare.

    Easily the weakest of all the Mega reoccurring crew and in no way worth 50k honor for the last star. For new players who might have seen a use for the fifth star stat boost, waiting 6 months for a better card to spend it on was the way to go. At least 4 of the higher ranked 1/5's I have were obtained after the holo mega.
  • ByloBand wrote: »
    As some of come to her aid I will say that she is not completely useless, but for an alleged "mega" crew, she leaves EVERYTHING to be desired.

    Idk - maybe there is a slight misunderstanding about the mega crew. It is a series of events where even quite fresh players can get up to 4 fuses of a legendary crew. It is great for everyone because you usually get a immortalized legendary withou much effort, even greater for newer players because these are low hanging fruits they can pick when competing in these events isn't a option at all.

    Mega doesn't mean that the legendary is totally exceptional - it just means you get it to 4/5 without much effort. Nobody forces you to cite her or pick her up at all

    And no, she doesn't leave EVERYTHING to be desired. She usually slips onto any CMD/DIP shuttle seat available unless I have a MED/ENG voyage and all other CMD/DIP monsters are twiddling their thumbs ;)
  • HaBlackHaBlack ✭✭✭✭
    Minuet 4/5* usually get on my Voyages when Romantic trait appear, but I got Layna just behind her with only 1/5*
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  • Average GuyAverage Guy ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19
    DIP is far and away my weakest skill. And yet 4/5 Minuet is 24th in base DIP on my crew. I have 10 active FF/FE super rares ahead of her. I have 7 FE 1/5's ahead of her.

    Maybe I've brought her along on a couple of gauntlets where she has 45% crit, but those are few and far between. And there's been a few voyages. That's the realm of fringe FF/FE super rare.

    Easily the weakest of all the Mega reoccurring crew and in no way worth 50k honor for the last star. For new players who might have seen a use for the fifth star stat boost, waiting 6 months for a better card to spend it on was the way to go. At least 4 of the higher ranked 1/5's I have were obtained after the holo mega.

    As I said before, her value depends on your crew. At 5/5, she definitely is better in base DIP than all but one or two 4/4. Victorian Pulaski is about 35 points higher but her secondary is MED and Mintaken Troi is a few points behind with no COM either. At 5/5 she has a clear advantage over any 4/4 for for DIP and COM seats on shuttles. I have her as my primary for shuttles so 3 trait crew can go on voyages ( she does make the odd voyage as well as her total voyage score is higher than any 4/4). I haven't regretted citing her at all and I have gotten my honour's worth out of her as she has essentially rendered almost all my DIP 4/4s as now occasionally or rarely used when I used to use about 10-15 DIP 4/4s regularly. Now I only use 2-3 regularly and I have saved some crew space. We are unlikely to see a 4/4 with her overall shuttles stats so likely the 5th star is safe bet for shuttles and occasional voyage.

    As for 5*, you never know when a game changer will come along or if it can be had in an event or portal pull. So waiting for if and when it comes along isn't necessarily a good bet for a 2nd star when the 2nd star doesn't yield the same results as a 5th star for stats. Just my opinion on that, others may disagree, but her value at 5/5 is definitely superior to essentially all 4/4 DIP seats and especially for DIP and COM shuttle seats which are quite common.

  • 5000 Quatloos5000 Quatloos ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19
    As I said before, her value depends on your crew. At 5/5, she definitely is better in base DIP than all but one or two 4/4. Victorian Pulaski is about 35 points higher but her secondary is MED and Mintaken Troi is a few points behind with no COM either. At 5/5 she has a clear advantage over any 4/4 for for DIP and COM seats on shuttles.
    Yes I will concede it does depend on crew you posses but also one would expect a 5/5 to be better than a 4/4 stats but at a cost of 50k honor that is a high price to pay for a slight gain over a purple, if I had that kind of honor to burn on 2 skill crew I'd put it on Dancing Uhura's second star ahead of putting a fifth on Minuet.

    I'd agree ... citing her out of the blue would be a difficult choice. I look at the mega crew from the standpoint of whether they're worth a DYC during the mega ... from the standpoint of getting a 4/5 crew for free, the question becomes whether the last star is worth $25 (or as low as $20, depending on your VIP/dilithium kickback level). My best current estimate of the average cheapest cost of a gold star is something like $10, come at from several different "cheapest" ways to acquire one (other than waiting for honor for free). So $20-$25 spent for a 5/5 crew worth $50 in stars (IF the mega crew warrants it, big IF) isn't the worst possible use of $ for someone with a thin gold crew. With thin crew, it's still a short term rather than long term investment, but can make a difference to them. And a lot easier to swallow than spending $20-25 to get a someone up to only marginally-less-useless 2/5 level :smile:

    I'm mindful of my Laborer Spock / Joachim test ... I cited them up early to 5/5, even though objectively speaking I should have sat and hoarded honor waiting for someone else. But they were the golds I had, and they carried ALL of my SCI and SEC water for a long, long time (and still contribute very often).

    And with you on Dancing Uhura ... I would cite her first over Minuet as well in a citation bake-off.
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  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    ByloBand wrote: »
    I'm still trying to figure out how it even makes sense to shove a hologram into cryostasis, wouldn't it be better to just copy/paste her onto a thumb drive? With stats that low, she probably won't take up more than 20% of the available memory!

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