Ray’s Law of Ten Hour Voyages

Greetings Capitans;

After extensive testing, I’m ready to convert my theory to law.

If you’d like a ten hour voyage, unassisted by re-fueling, stick to Ray’s Law. Adherence becomes much easier once you pass the 90 fully fused, fully equipped legend threshold, as ship & crew bonus is critical.

Using all bonused ship and crew (you can cheat a bit and still pass with luck, but you need anti-matter in excess of 2925 to be confident) do the following:

Stock primary and secondary skills in excess of 12,000
Sélect two other skills and get them in excess of 6,000
The remaining two skill slots are irrelevant.

Happy cruising, bon voyage,

RayZor, Admiral of KDF (sometime recruiting)
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  • That was with a anti-matter refill Banjo, I’m talking about doing it without help. The method described above fails in our squads tests, so perhaps you experienced an anomaly
  • I find its best to have gold and silver at around 12,500. Antimatter can be around 2800.
  • MúspellMúspell ✭✭✭
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    I ignore three skills, stack a third as much as possible, and always get 10 hours. It’s also the way I got 11 hours. Plus I never get 2925 AM. I’m good if it’s 2750 or so

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    I have tried this several times, the antimatter loss in the first 8 hours was so decent that I never reached 10 hours.
    It's still amazing how big the impact of RNG is when you try to max voyages.
    My best was 10:53

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  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RayZor wrote: »
    That was with a anti-matter refill Banjo, I’m talking about doing it without help. The method described above fails in our squads tests, so perhaps you experienced an anomaly

    It was not with a refill. I know what you meant. That was straight 11 hours. Your way is not the only way to succeed

  • @Paladin 27 I do regularly hit 10 hours with 12/12/6/6, so I believe we’re in agreement. Some context around the well I draw from.

    94 Immortal legends to draw from, so my crew runs very deep. That doesn’t make your very sound analysis less valuable and I think you’ve provided a great analysis, but my goal is to provide simple benchmarks that others can replicate and easily remember.

    @Banjo1012 no need to troll the noobs. Your claim is demonstratably false and we’re veterans on this thread, so no competitive advantage will be gained my man.
  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RayZor wrote: »
    @Paladin 27 I do regularly hit 10 hours with 12/12/6/6, so I believe we’re in agreement. Some context around the well I draw from.

    94 Immortal legends to draw from, so my crew runs very deep. That doesn’t make your very sound analysis less valuable and I think you’ve provided a great analysis, but my goal is to provide simple benchmarks that others can replicate and easily remember.

    @Banjo1012 no need to troll the noobs. Your claim is demonstratably false and we’re veterans on this thread, so no competitive advantage will be gained my man.

    Wow. You’re a total &!$#!!! And you’re way off base. To be honest when I first read your thread I thought duh, Captain Obvious strikes but I didn’t want to be insulting so I figured I would add my two cents and what has worked for me. You came back with I’m a rookie, I’ve lied about my success, and I belong in STT pre-school.

  • RayZor  RayZor ✭✭
    edited October 28
    Always? @Banjo1012

    Your claim is “always”
    Your method is “by loading up a third” “as much as you can.” That’s two slots. This takes a bit more balance and finesse than what you describe above and luck matters in voyages, so I’ll highlight once more your claim....

    “Always”

    Really bro? That’s your words above.

    Let’s be honest amongst fellow Trekkers shall we?
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    An example of a solid 10 hour cruise.
  • Paladin 27Paladin 27 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28
    So @RayZor 's lower 4 stats add to 18,886 and @Banjo1012 's add to 18,848. Banjo's was a little better because of the primary and secondary being so high, but it terms of chance to hit 10 hours, those two voyages are pretty much the same.
  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Paladin 27 wrote: »
    So @RayZor 's lower 4 stats add to 18,886 and @Banjo1012 's add to 18,848. Banjo's was a little better because of the primary and secondary being so high, but it terms of chance to hit 10 hours, those two voyages are pretty much the same.

    And the difference here may be that I’m not after 10 hours. I’m after the longest voyage I can get every time I send one out. That means getting the gold and silver skills to 13,000 as my goal every time is 11 hours. I have found that the other 4 skills aren’t 10%-10-10-10 it’s more like 12-10-10-8. If you can guess right on which one the 12 is, as I did in the above screenshot with COM, you can get 11 hours
  • Paladin 27 wrote: »
    So @RayZor 's lower 4 stats add to 18,886 and @Banjo1012 's add to 18,848. Banjo's was a little better because of the primary and secondary being so high, but it terms of chance to hit 10 hours, those two voyages are pretty much the same.

    Agreed. However, he claims anti-matter at start is unimportant, our results vary greatly and of course, a claim of 100% 10 hour attainment is questionable based on years of actual play.

    Most importantly though, this set up will not achieve 11 hours. He claims it does and in game experience shows that’d a bit of an exaggeration to say the least @Paladin 27

    More importantly though, this thread is simple and we agree on all points.

    For the noobies, if you want ten hours.

    - Get Primary and Secondary skills around the benchmark Paladin has kindly outlined above. 12.5k should work.
    - Get two more above six thousandish
    - Bonus matters. Hit it hard and try your best to use bonused crew and ships exclusively

    If you do, you’ll hit 10 hours about 60% of the time based on our squads in game experience.

  • Paladin 27Paladin 27 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RayZor wrote: »
    Paladin 27 wrote: »
    So @RayZor 's lower 4 stats add to 18,886 and @Banjo1012 's add to 18,848. Banjo's was a little better because of the primary and secondary being so high, but it terms of chance to hit 10 hours, those two voyages are pretty much the same.

    Agreed. However, he claims anti-matter at start is unimportant, our results vary greatly and of course, a claim of 100% 10 hour attainment is questionable based on years of actual play.

    Most importantly though, this set up will not achieve 11 hours. He claims it does and in game experience shows that’d a bit of an exaggeration to say the least @Paladin 27

    More importantly though, this thread is simple and we agree on all points.

    For the noobies, if you want ten hours.

    - Get Primary and Secondary skills around the benchmark Paladin has kindly outlined above. 12.5k should work.
    - Get two more above six thousandish
    - Bonus matters. Hit it hard and try your best to use bonused crew and ships exclusively

    If you do, you’ll hit 10 hours about 60% of the time based on our squads in game experience.

    My main thing is the contention that only 1 or 2 of the tertiary stat's matter versus the total of all 4. 6k/6k/1k/1k is a lot different than 7k/6k/4k/3k as your voyage is. A 12.5k/12.5k with 19k on the other stats will usually get to 10 hours, 60% seems about right. the 6/6/1/1 won't get there very often (well under 25%). A 12.5k/12.5k with 21k on the other 4 stats might get there 90% of the time.
  • Banjo1012 wrote: »
    Noobies can’t get a 10 hour voyage. They don’t have the crew. And despite what you think I have gotten 11 hours with my set up and can get 10 at least 60% of the time just like your elitist narcissistic self can. Stop talking down to me as if I have no credibility whatsoever.

    Credibility is earned when you don’t begin with a false claim and dismissive attitude at the top of the thread @Banjo1012
  • Paladin 27 wrote: »
    RayZor wrote: »
    Paladin 27 wrote: »
    So @RayZor 's lower 4 stats add to 18,886 and @Banjo1012 's add to 18,848. Banjo's was a little better because of the primary and secondary being so high, but it terms of chance to hit 10 hours, those two voyages are pretty much the same.

    Agreed. However, he claims anti-matter at start is unimportant, our results vary greatly and of course, a claim of 100% 10 hour attainment is questionable based on years of actual play.

    Most importantly though, this set up will not achieve 11 hours. He claims it does and in game experience shows that’d a bit of an exaggeration to say the least @Paladin 27

    More importantly though, this thread is simple and we agree on all points.

    For the noobies, if you want ten hours.

    - Get Primary and Secondary skills around the benchmark Paladin has kindly outlined above. 12.5k should work.
    - Get two more above six thousandish
    - Bonus matters. Hit it hard and try your best to use bonused crew and ships exclusively

    If you do, you’ll hit 10 hours about 60% of the time based on our squads in game experience.

    My main thing is the contention that only 1 or 2 of the tertiary stat's matter versus the total of all 4. 6k/6k/1k/1k is a lot different than 7k/6k/4k/3k as your voyage is. A 12.5k/12.5k with 19k on the other stats will usually get to 10 hours, 60% seems about right. the 6/6/1/1 won't get there very often (well under 25%). A 12.5k/12.5k with 21k on the other 4 stats might get there 90% of the time.
    Paladin 27 wrote: »
    RayZor wrote: »
    Paladin 27 wrote: »
    So @RayZor 's lower 4 stats add to 18,886 and @Banjo1012 's add to 18,848. Banjo's was a little better because of the primary and secondary being so high, but it terms of chance to hit 10 hours, those two voyages are pretty much the same.

    Agreed. However, he claims anti-matter at start is unimportant, our results vary greatly and of course, a claim of 100% 10 hour attainment is questionable based on years of actual play.

    Most importantly though, this set up will not achieve 11 hours. He claims it does and in game experience shows that’d a bit of an exaggeration to say the least @Paladin 27

    More importantly though, this thread is simple and we agree on all points.

    For the noobies, if you want ten hours.

    - Get Primary and Secondary skills around the benchmark Paladin has kindly outlined above. 12.5k should work.
    - Get two more above six thousandish
    - Bonus matters. Hit it hard and try your best to use bonused crew and ships exclusively

    If you do, you’ll hit 10 hours about 60% of the time based on our squads in game experience.

    My main thing is the contention that only 1 or 2 of the tertiary stat's matter versus the total of all 4. 6k/6k/1k/1k is a lot different than 7k/6k/4k/3k as your voyage is. A 12.5k/12.5k with 19k on the other stats will usually get to 10 hours, 60% seems about right. the 6/6/1/1 won't get there very often (well under 25%). A 12.5k/12.5k with 21k on the other 4 stats might get there 90% of the time.

    That’s a really great point and addition to the thread. Thanks @Paladin 27

  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first 11 hour voyage looked like this:

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  • robownage wrote: »
    My first 11 hour voyage looked like this:

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    @robownage great stuff, thanks for sharing and congrats. Curious to know the antimatter stock at start. Was your crew all bonused?

  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    RayZor wrote: »
    robownage wrote: »
    My first 11 hour voyage looked like this:

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    @robownage great stuff, thanks for sharing and congrats. Curious to know the antimatter stock at start. Was your crew all bonused?

    Definitely not all bonused, but I don't have screenshots to remind me of the details.
  • AldudeAldude ✭✭✭✭
    I don't have anywhere near that many immortal gold's... Plus I have no immortal purples outside the freezer (my spreadsheet tells me that my army of golds outweigh the best purple I have and with the crew slots I have, I'm better off with frozen purples).

    The best I have managed is 9hrs 30mins, and that was primary and secondary loaded to 12K and the rest balanced at 4000. Also, couldn't get initial AM to much higher than 2750. I reckon 10 hrs will be hit soon though. Incidentally, the best crew I got in that voyage was a green. Typical!
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  • I think what's missing from this thread is that having a very high number of FF legends has a direct impact on how much you're able to simplify selection and essentially ignore 2 skills in crew selection, because all the crew you're sending are FF every time. This gives increased odds that the ignored 2 skills will still be a reasonable skill score because you inevitably have a mix of crew that will still have some MED/ENG when loading a CMD DIP voyage for example. If you only had 10-20 FF legends and pad with non-FF legends, you'd probably have some significant holes in your skill balance if you ignored skills entirely in priorities. In this scenario, Paladin's extensive guidance in his post is invaluable to consider.

    Let's also consider that this discussion is in the "Ready Room", where you're more likely to find people without heavily loaded crew looking for advice so it's a good idea to try and include that scenario when writing advice for others.
  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So here is my last voyage. I will await your claims that it was photoshopped. Starting AM was 2725

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  • Banjo1012 wrote: »
    So here is my last voyage. I will await your claims that it was photoshopped. Starting AM was 2725

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    Nice one @Banjo1012, I stand corrected. Thanks for sharing

  • IronagedaveIronagedave ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29
    Just to add my 2 cents but if you have 90+ immortal legendaries I would be surprised if you weren’t hitting 10hours regularly.

    Case in point I only have about a third of that and my last voyage made just shy of 10.5 hours, I started with 2750 am.

    Personally I’m a firm believer of preventing high attrition rate of antimatter loss in the first 4-6 hours of the voyage.

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  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RayZor wrote: »
    Banjo1012 wrote: »
    So here is my last voyage. I will await your claims that it was photoshopped. Starting AM was 2725

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    Nice one @Banjo1012, I stand corrected. Thanks for sharing

    Thank you. All I wanted to say was this set up seems to give me the longest voyages, tested for many months now. There’s more than one way to skin a cat, which is a sick saying if you think about it. I mean, what whacko skins a cat?

  • Banjo1012Banjo1012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just to add my 2 cents but if you have 90+ immortal legendaries I would be surprised if you weren’t hitting 10hours regularly.

    Case in point I only have about a third of that and my last voyage made just shy of 10.5 hours, I started with 2750 am.

    Personally I’m a firm believer of preventing high attrition rate of antimatter loss in the first 4-6 hours of the voyage.

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    With my set up, I do run that risk. I have gotten over 10:30 many times the way I do it, but I also get bombs that barely go 9:00 in there too
  • ByloBandByloBand ✭✭✭✭✭
    @RayZor , IMO you should apologize to Banjo. I don't want to have to do it as that 11 hour voyage was over 6 weeks ago, but I do have a text message log of the progress of that voyage you are calling a fraud in my phone, I vouch for its authenticity and for the fact that Banjo is not a liar. To outright call somebody a fraud or a liar publicly with no proof and then stick to that claim when challenged is disrespectful.
  • So, Ray, where do you base that Banjo refilled his AM? I see nothing there...

    FWIW, I try to max AM at the beginning and front-load gold and silver to 12k or so while trying to balance the rest at 4K or better.

    And then chicken out at 9 hours, as I miss too many that fail right at 9:55...and work ALWAYS keeps me from noticing.

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