Citation Help

Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 15 in Ready Room
I'm better with history than math, so I'd appreciate some cold, hard number-crunching insights about where to spend these seven five Citations burnin' a hole in pocket. Here are the candidates and my thoughts:
  • 3/5 Away Team Saru - In a recent SCI based Voyage, he was the only one not 5/5. I'm sure that would have made the difference in the 14 minutes I fell short of the 10h mark. Plus, as a Saru, he has strong event value going forward.
  • 3/5 Commander Kira Nerys - She's a Kira, and her event has already had its Replay so I won't be getting another star for her that way.
  • 3/5 Leonardo da Vinci - Dude has been a Voyage work horse ever since his 1/5 days. No event value, but he's my favorite right now in the running for two of these Citations.
  • 3/5 Solar Sails Sisko - He only just got to 3/5 an hour ago, so I don't have a feel for his Voyage value. Sisko events come around often enough, but we did just have one so it may be awhile before the next.
  • 3/5 Wrathful Kirk - Strong SEC. I need SEC/ENG Voyage crew, but his ENG is unimpressive.
  • 3/5 Zhian'tara Odo - High base stats and counts as a Dax and an Odo for event purposes.
  • 2/5 Pah-wraith Keiko - Strong CMD and honestly, I just dig her. Minimal to no event value, though.
  • 2/5 Seeking Spock - He's a Spock and he has SCI/MED/DIP.
  • 1/5 Ba'ul - We've likely had the last event where every Disco crew gets a bonus, so no event value. But: SEC/ENG/MED Voyage value. Presently, SEC/MED is a major weakness for me.
  • 1/5 Dr. Hugh Culber - Strong stats and good event value going forward, and he ain't gonna get to 5/5 on his own.
  • 1/5 Jett Reno - See: Dr. Hugh Culber.
  • 1/5 Torpedo Surgeon McCoy - Strong stats, MED/SCI/ENG skill combo. Plus, I love Star Trek VI.

Forgot about the new Dr. 'Bones' McCoy, who I ought to get to 4/5 after the special achievements, and that I now don't have enough Honor for a Citation for next month's Recurring Legendary. That brings me down to five Citations to spend, not seven.

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  • RaraRacingRaraRacing ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some good crew ... and I know you like citing ones who you like from the show, so difficult choices ... some insights on crew I'm familiar with:

    - Saru - I've had him immortalised for a really long time now (May 2019) and he has been rock solid for me through being part of 4 10hr voyage crew (his three skill combos and SCI/ENG).
    Other positives are his two 1000+ base score, if he's not on a voyage he's on a shuttle and he's been stellar in events.
    However, probably the best general crew in-game has his skill combo (Gary Seven) ... if you manage to get him these coming days then he'd be the one to cite up instead (as much as I love Saru) ... Saru's overall voyage numbers are not super strong and I'm sure he'll start slipping. That said ... his skill combo is excellent.

    - Da Vinci - this guy comes to the top of my "should cite" list every time (currently #2) no matter how many new crew I get in ... I really should do it, but ... other priorities (collections) ... he'd be my best SCI base if I did ... if I had him 3/5 I'd do it.

    - Ba'ul - I've been hesitant to cite up 1/5 crew because sooo many resources, but Ba'ul's not in the portal so it'll take aeons to add stars otherwise ... I have Temporal Prisoner Chakotay immortalised and Ba'ul is just a better version of him really ... he gets constant use. Also has solid base stats for shuttles/events.

    - TS McCoy - another solid crew really that probably fits the same boat as Ba'ul and Da Vinci.

    - Solar Sails Sisko - on my crew his numbers are middle of the pack, just plain average, if he was immortal I'd probably use him on SCI/ENG voyages, but I already get to 10 hrs on those 75% of the time, I'd personally invest in more impact crew ... he used to be my best Sisko ENG, so good for events ... but ... I don't know, I know you like Sisko, but I'd just pick him in each future behold he features until he's immortal. Good, but in my books not a priority.

    - I haven't cited 2-skill crew yet (Collections will require it at some point) and probably wouldn't cite Kira either due to her skills, I'd cite Keiko over her if I had to choose between the two.

    The others I don't know enough about.

    I'm going to hold onto my citations for the time being to see if any good candidates pop up (one already has).
  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gotta agree with your choice to do Leonardo first. Have had him immo'd for a long time now and he makes Voyages all the time.

    I also use Culber a lot.

    Probably wouldn't suggest SS Sisko, as he just seems like a weak option, imo.

    Have Ba'ul 5/5, but honestly don't use him (uh... her?) that often in Voyages. Makes a lot of shuttles, though.

    However, any other feedback I might have isn't going to be terribly germane to your roster, I'm afraid. What I did recently when deciding who to give some recent cites to, was to look at skill pairs, and see which ones I had very well-covered, and which ones could use some shoring up. For instance, tons of DIP+SCI, lots of good SCI+ENG, and MED+DIP, but some other combos were not at all well-represented. MED+CMD was one of those, so I got Rev Phlox FF post-haste.


    Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
    ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you could probably print out a picture of a dartboard to scale, write each of these names into the outer ring sections, tape it to a real dartboard, throw darts until five of them land on names, and be happy with the results. Alternatively, throw darts until you hit a name, cite to completion, and repeat until you’re out of citations.

    It may look like I am joking, but this is a pretty great collection of crew to choose from. Reno is the weakest but should continue to get Disco bonuses and would be a solid variant if Stranded Reno releases as an event crew regardless of full Disco bonuses...plus, great character and actress. Culber is in the rare territory of being a 1/2-skill crew worth citing due to raw shuttle/event power. The rest are all excellent crew anyway even before having special personal value.
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, if nothing else, y'all've talked me out of Solar Sails Sisko. I think I'll be content letting his other two stars come to me on their own. Gonna continue taking input and contemplating for a bit.
  • EnderWEnderW ✭✭✭✭
    Torpedo Surgeon McCoy is showing up in a LOT of my voyages. His Med and Sci are pretty good, and that Eng helps him slide into even more voyages. If you're focusing on improving the voyage part of your game, then he is a good choice.

    I could also suggest Kirk, as he's either on a shuttle or a voyage for me.
  • Prime Lorca [10FH]Prime Lorca [10FH] ✭✭✭✭✭
    Obligatory "wait until the week of festivities are over." You may find yourself in a different situation.
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Update: I'm down to five Citations, and here are the current candidates:
    • 4/5 Durango Troi - I've been itching to finish her for months, and it will be at least March at the earliest before her event rolls back around. I'm gettin' antsy.
    • 3/5 Away Team Saru - In a recent SCI based Voyage, he was the only one not 5/5. I'm sure that would have made the difference in the 14 minutes I fell short of the 10h mark. Plus, as a Saru, he has strong event value going forward.
    • 3/5 Wrathful Kirk - Strong SEC. I need SEC/ENG Voyage crew, but his ENG is unimpressive.
    • 2/5 Quinn - For now, he seems to be locked as an Episode 10 one-time reward. Love the character and his Voyage stats are great.
    • 1/5 Ba'ul - We've likely had the last event where every Disco crew gets a bonus, so no event value. But: SEC/ENG/MED Voyage value. Presently, SEC/MED is a major weakness for me.
    • 1/5 Torpedo Surgeon McCoy - Strong stats, MED/SCI/ENG skill combo. Plus, I love Star Trek VI.

    Combinations I'm leaning toward:
    1 Durango Troi/4 Torpedo Surgeon McCoy
    1 Durango Troi/4 Ba'ul
    1 Durango Troi/2 Away Team Saru/2 Wrathful Kirk
    2 Away Team Saru/3 Quinn
    2 Wrathful Kirk/3 Quinn

    Ba'ul, Torpedo Surgeon McCoy, and Wrathful Kirk are presently not in the time portal. Could be months before they turn up, and even once they're in circulation, that hardly guarantees I'll luck into any of them.
  • Will you be doing recap packs, @Travis S McClain ? If you are, then I advise waiting on any that are in portal.

    I've got a fair amount of use since I cited up Ba'ul. I would lean toward him and save the 5th citation for your next project or a rainy day. (I don't think Ba'ul is in portal.)
  • Data1001Data1001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've got a fair amount of use since I cited up Ba'ul. I would lean toward him and save the 5th citation for your next project or a rainy day. (I don't think Ba'ul is in portal.)

    I also use Ba'ul on a surprising number of Voyages.


    Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.
    ~ Data, ST:TNG "Haven"
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Will you be doing recap packs, @Travis S McClain ? If you are, then I advise waiting on any that are in portal.

    I've got a fair amount of use since I cited up Ba'ul. I would lean toward him and save the 5th citation for your next project or a rainy day. (I don't think Ba'ul is in portal.)

    I'm planning on doing some recap packs. At least enough to get a fourth Safecracker Nog. Ideally, also a fourth Doctor Stubbs and Age of Sail Troi, too. I could luck into Away Team Saru or Durango Troi in those packs. Can't remember if Wrathful Kirk is in the portal yet. Ba'ul, Quinn, and Torpedo Surgeon McCoy are not.
  • Will you be doing recap packs, @Travis S McClain ? If you are, then I advise waiting on any that are in portal.

    I've got a fair amount of use since I cited up Ba'ul. I would lean toward him and save the 5th citation for your next project or a rainy day. (I don't think Ba'ul is in portal.)

    I'm planning on doing some recap packs. At least enough to get a fourth Safecracker Nog. Ideally, also a fourth Doctor Stubbs and Age of Sail Troi, too. I could luck into Away Team Saru or Durango Troi in those packs. Can't remember if Wrathful Kirk is in the portal yet. Ba'ul, Quinn, and Torpedo Surgeon McCoy are not.

    I was thinking that you may also want to wait to see if you get any legendaries from this mega in the recap packs. That might make them tempting to cite. Then I thought about who all that is: T'Pol w/MED, Annika Seven, AoS Worf, and LtC Icheb. None of them are as appealing for citations as the ones you have listed. Except maybe T'Pol, imo.

    Ba'ul gets the most use, followed by Torpedo Surgeon McCoy for me. I don't have any of the others cited up. But Ba'ul's combos... SEC/ENG, SEC/MED, and MED/ENG... They all get him into voyages.
  • Will you be doing recap packs, @Travis S McClain ? If you are, then I advise waiting on any that are in portal.

    I've got a fair amount of use since I cited up Ba'ul. I would lean toward him and save the 5th citation for your next project or a rainy day. (I don't think Ba'ul is in portal.)

    ... Can't remember if Wrathful Kirk is in the portal yet...
    No, he isn't
  • Ba'ul's skill combo is the most rare so may last longer in the face of power creep for a voyager, as well as having a good voyage rank in overall stats total.

    Kirk's skillset is much more common, though his stats total is higher and has the highest event count. Also, a high portion of his events are faction so

    Torpedo Mccoy is a nice mix of a fairly uncommon eng tertiary for med/sci, as well as fair event count, but will have less impact either way (voyages or events) unless you don't have a lot of med/sci voyagers.

    Choice depends if your priority is pushing for more reliable 10 hour difficult voyages (Baul) or higher % faction shuttles (kirk) IMO.
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    Update: I'm down to five Citations, and here are the current candidates:
    • 4/5 Durango Troi - I've been itching to finish her for months, and it will be at least March at the earliest before her event rolls back around. I'm gettin' antsy.
    • 3/5 Away Team Saru - In a recent SCI based Voyage, he was the only one not 5/5. I'm sure that would have made the difference in the 14 minutes I fell short of the 10h mark. Plus, as a Saru, he has strong event value going forward.
    • 3/5 Wrathful Kirk - Strong SEC. I need SEC/ENG Voyage crew, but his ENG is unimpressive.
    • 2/5 Quinn - For now, he seems to be locked as an Episode 10 one-time reward. Love the character and his Voyage stats are great.
    • 1/5 Ba'ul - We've likely had the last event where every Disco crew gets a bonus, so no event value. But: SEC/ENG/MED Voyage value. Presently, SEC/MED is a major weakness for me.
    • 1/5 Torpedo Surgeon McCoy - Strong stats, MED/SCI/ENG skill combo. Plus, I love Star Trek VI.

    Combinations I'm leaning toward:
    1 Durango Troi/4 Torpedo Surgeon McCoy
    1 Durango Troi/4 Ba'ul
    1 Durango Troi/2 Away Team Saru/2 Wrathful Kirk
    2 Away Team Saru/3 Quinn
    2 Wrathful Kirk/3 Quinn

    Ba'ul, Torpedo Surgeon McCoy, and Wrathful Kirk are presently not in the time portal. Could be months before they turn up, and even once they're in circulation, that hardly guarantees I'll luck into any of them.

    So many good crew to choose from...

    Troi - I just took her fifth star in a behold because I wouldn’t mind taking it easy whenever her event comes up again, she’ll be helpful for next week’s event, and her SEC base is ludicrously high.

    Saru - this is the only one of your citation targets that I don’t have myself. I agree his event value should remain strong when Disco season 3 comes up. And if you don’t have or are looking to complement the likes of Gary Seven, Gladiator Spock, and/or Klingon Janeway for voyages, you really cant go wrong here.

    Kirk - yes, even with his monster SEC base his SEC/ENG leaves a little to be desired. That being said, his decent COM secondary means you can maybe slot in more COM/ENG crew into a SEC/ENG voyage to compensate. And his event usefulness in December was off the charts.

    Quinn - you are right about all the things you said. But as several of us covered in that one Bridge topic, you can get DIP/SEC elsewhere through smart crew selection. Maybe send Wrathful Kirk alongside Professor Sato instead of Quinn and another DIP/SEC crew?

    Ba’ul - until I immortalized my copy, I had no idea how hefty those SEC and ENG bases really were. Plus MED? Wow. I, too, am doubtful that the Disco event bonus count will keep ballooning but that just means you can send the Ba’ul on voyages during those events.

    McCoy - it still stings a bit for me that he wasn’t MED/ENG/SEC but his voyage utility is undeniable. He’s roughly comparable to Qod (maybe a little weaker...I only did the math on their bases and not their proficiencies) but with ENG instead of DIP as the tertiary he is more valuable overall.


    Other than maybe dissuading you from Quinn, I don’t feel like I suggested all that much. If I were in your situation, I’d probably put one on Troi, use two on either Saru or Kirk, and use the last two to bump up McCoy to 3/5*.
  • GhaziGhazi ✭✭✭
    I would probably go Kirk, saru and trio. Kirk and saru will both give you daily value unless you are sitting on a bunch of sci sec
  • You definitely have to throw one at Durango Troi .... if for no other reason than she is so incredibly cool! :smiley:
  • RaraRacingRaraRacing ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Travis,

    Like the others have said ... it depends on your game preferences ... lately, I'm a sucker for voyages and collections ... some reflections:

    - Saru ... still my #2 base SCI, but will slip to #3 soon. I've had him immortalised for ages and he's been of great help, but is slowly slipping in use (like I thought he might, as I indicated last time). It depends on how many similar crew you have, but if I didn't have him immortalised, he'd be slipping down my "to cite" list.

    - Ba'ul ... I have Temporal Prisoner Chakotay and Ba'ul is just a straight-up improvement in all areas. Good base stats, excellent voyage combo ... to give an indication ... TP Chakotay has been on the following 10hr voyage combos ... CMD/ENG, DIP/SEC, SEC/SCI, SEC/ENG ... and has been on near-10 hr ones for SEC/MED, SCI/MED and ENG/MED ... that's 7 of 15 combos ... I figure Ba'ul will be daily-use crew for a while.

    - It is tempting to finish Durango Troi ... and we do have a Troi shuttle event next week. But I would label this as a "vanity" cite ... and personally I'd do it ... but my priorities differ wildly from what is considered "smart gameplay".

    - McCoy ... will have an immediate impact on your voyages for sure, so if you like the character ... sure.

    - Quinn, Kirk ... for me the least appealing of the crew you've listed, but that's more personal.

    Anyway ... that's what I've got ... I might wait after doing the mega-event packs just to see what comes your way, only a week or so anyway.
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Voyages are my current priority, though I'm always event-minded, too. I do alright with shuttles using my B-team. I've unlocked all the stat boosts from collections, and none that remain is all that important to me. I don't have Gary Seven, Klingon Janeway, or Temporal Prisoner Chakotay.

    As for the recap packs, the only 5* I care about is Age of Sail Worf, and that's only out of fondness. He won't do much for my roster. The only citation candidates in the portal who could drop for me in those packs are Away Team Saru and Durango Troi. I think I'm content deferring Quinn for awhile.

    There's a strong consensus in favor of Ba'ul. Another factor not mentioned is that Kirk, McCoy, and Saru all seem likely Campaign candidates, whereas Ba'ul seems highly unlikely. Also, so far, the only ones on Picard who look like potential SEC/ENG/MED are Picard's house servants Laris and/or Zhaban. Which brings me to another point, which is that once Picard crew start arriving, I'm probably gonna want to max them, so....

    UGH.
  • My math is we don't get enough citations
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