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Question for the Devs - Why SHOULDN'T I horde honor for sales?

In the timelines talks, it was mentioned that the preferred use of currency is spending it evenly. I do understand the point of view from the business side.

But does the business understand the point of view from MY side? Why should any of us consumers willingly and repeatedly relinquish the best bang for our finite bucks?

What incentive exists for me to spend currency evenly that is strong enough to equal, let alone counter, the incentive of waiting for a sale?

(This is all vaguely reminiscent of saying voyage revive tokens -- which should have been something more in-universe like "antimatter pods," but that's a separate issue -- were not intended to be used as a commodity, despite saving up two sets of 30 of them being the only reasonable way to collect even just one of each of the the 3-part dilemma crew.)

Collecting crew or even just tracking down a specific crew is VERY HARD given how stuffed the portal is. So if you want us to make it EVEN HARDER for ourselves, we're going to need a compelling reason.

How do you intend to sell us on being inefficient? Because randomizing the sale dates isn't a compelling argument.
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  • edited January 7
    Selene 7 wrote: »
    There's an easy fix--just make the honor deals permanent staples. I'll stop hoarding. :p

    There is another easy fix. No more honor sales at all. :p

    It‘s funny, just because they did something 2-3 times, we take it for granted and expect it to happen regulary, regardless it was never said so.
  • ÷ Dr. Claire Finn÷ Dr. Claire Finn ✭✭✭
    edited January 7
    Selene 7 wrote: »
    There's an easy fix--just make the honor deals permanent staples. I'll stop hoarding. :p

    There is another easy fix. No more honor sales at all. :p

    It‘s funny, just because they did something 2-3 times, we take it for granted and expect it to happen regulary, regardless it was never said so.

    Comment removed. ~Shan
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  • ExanimusExanimus ✭✭✭✭
    If the Devs have no intention of responding, it may be best to nip this one. It was addressed to them anyway. If you aren't going to mod the obvious trolling to get a reaction to the idea of never having honor sales again, you are basicly just leaving or as bait to sniper the reactions. It's an obvious troll and not intended to be part of civil discourse.
  • Warrior WilloWarrior Willo ✭✭✭✭
    Webberoni wrote: »

    There is another easy fix. No more honor sales at all. :p

    It‘s funny, just because they did something 2-3 times, we take it for granted and expect it to happen regulary, regardless it was never said so.

    As Automaton 2000 noted on a Timelines Talks episode, “there is no putting that genie back in the bottle”. A lot of folks who’ve horded honor would rage quit if honor sales ceased entirely. Making the honor deals permanent would work, I think. In addition to everything else they’ve done to ease honor debt: 390 and 490 packs, the paid tier of the campaign, honor in skirmishes, and whatever they’re planning with premium packs, that additional step would be appreciated (by me anyway) given the number of golds in the game. I don’t think it would break the game, either: it would just spread out what people are getting through the honor sale anyway for the most part. It would make the Honor Hall exclusives look ridiculously expensive: those would probably need to be permanently discounted as well (wouldn’t help me: I’ve got all of them already).

    Dropping them without a word would really tick off players, but that doesn't mean they're captaining the Kobayashi Maru. They could cap the amount of honor you can spend during a sale (200-400k?) so that players can carry on normally during the year while also getting that celebration hit from a sale. Or if they do stop the current honor sales, make that clear to players and do some other kind of impromptu, varied options for honor from time to time to keep players interested.

    But from what I understand, WRG doesn't want to A. let players know specifics about when sales/deals are coming B. have players sit on stockpiles waiting for unspecified sales/deals. Those two things seem to be at odds, currently.

    I've loved the last couple honor sales, but I'm not sure that it's worth making the rest of the year kind of boring. Either the player feels bad for missing out on some great value, or they feel bad for not progressing their roster much in the meantime. Sure, you could expect every player to budget accordingly and be responsible for their own enjoyment, but I think this one is on the company to solve.

    I like the idea of capping purchases, just like they already do for lots of other offers. That seems like the easiest solution. Keep the honor sales, keep them unannounced, but limit them to 2, 5 or 10 purchases.

    Not wanting players to stockpile seems ridiculous to me. If there's any chance that a particular sale/offer might come along in the future, at least some players will always save indefinitely. What's next, telling players not to stockpile premium pulls in advance of a long awaited portal update? Or telling players to use shuttle rental tokens daily, rather than stockpiling them for faction events?

    Wow, you must really want to see the pitchforks come out. Imagine the reaction from players who have hoarded vast quantities of honour being told they can only make limited purchases. If they are going to do that, it would be wise to have the next honour sale run as normal and then advise of a limitation for all future sales.
  • CalhounCalhoun ✭✭✭
    Didn't they have a daily limit on the main deal (40k begold + cite) previously?
  • Navarch Navarch ✭✭✭
    Calhoun wrote: »
    Didn't they have a daily limit on the main deal (40k begold + cite) previously?

    The limit was 10 times per day in the last honor sale and 1 timer per day for the 10k legendary behold.
  • calsnowskiercalsnowskier ✭✭✭✭
    Calhoun wrote: »
    Didn't they have a daily limit on the main deal (40k begold + cite) previously?

    They did. But the sale lasted long enough that I never came close to the max for the entire sale, and I had (iirc) approx 1.5M honor so the limit was essentially non existent.
  • WebberoniWebberoni ✭✭✭✭✭
    Webberoni wrote: »

    There is another easy fix. No more honor sales at all. :p

    It‘s funny, just because they did something 2-3 times, we take it for granted and expect it to happen regulary, regardless it was never said so.

    As Automaton 2000 noted on a Timelines Talks episode, “there is no putting that genie back in the bottle”. A lot of folks who’ve horded honor would rage quit if honor sales ceased entirely. Making the honor deals permanent would work, I think. In addition to everything else they’ve done to ease honor debt: 390 and 490 packs, the paid tier of the campaign, honor in skirmishes, and whatever they’re planning with premium packs, that additional step would be appreciated (by me anyway) given the number of golds in the game. I don’t think it would break the game, either: it would just spread out what people are getting through the honor sale anyway for the most part. It would make the Honor Hall exclusives look ridiculously expensive: those would probably need to be permanently discounted as well (wouldn’t help me: I’ve got all of them already).

    Dropping them without a word would really tick off players, but that doesn't mean they're captaining the Kobayashi Maru. They could cap the amount of honor you can spend during a sale (200-400k?) so that players can carry on normally during the year while also getting that celebration hit from a sale. Or if they do stop the current honor sales, make that clear to players and do some other kind of impromptu, varied options for honor from time to time to keep players interested.

    But from what I understand, WRG doesn't want to A. let players know specifics about when sales/deals are coming B. have players sit on stockpiles waiting for unspecified sales/deals. Those two things seem to be at odds, currently.

    I've loved the last couple honor sales, but I'm not sure that it's worth making the rest of the year kind of boring. Either the player feels bad for missing out on some great value, or they feel bad for not progressing their roster much in the meantime. Sure, you could expect every player to budget accordingly and be responsible for their own enjoyment, but I think this one is on the company to solve.

    I like the idea of capping purchases, just like they already do for lots of other offers. That seems like the easiest solution. Keep the honor sales, keep them unannounced, but limit them to 2, 5 or 10 purchases.

    Not wanting players to stockpile seems ridiculous to me. If there's any chance that a particular sale/offer might come along in the future, at least some players will always save indefinitely. What's next, telling players not to stockpile premium pulls in advance of a long awaited portal update? Or telling players to use shuttle rental tokens daily, rather than stockpiling them for faction events?

    Wow, you must really want to see the pitchforks come out. Imagine the reaction from players who have hoarded vast quantities of honour being told they can only make limited purchases. If they are going to do that, it would be wise to have the next honour sale run as normal and then advise of a limitation for all future sales.

    As opposed to never having those sales again at all? I think you missed the earlier part of the conversation that provided the context behind my comment that you must have missed.

    I dropped about 700k honor in the summer and have another 400-500k saved up, so I am one of those players you were referring to.... and totally agree with your assessment!
  • Dirk GundersonDirk Gunderson ✭✭✭✭✭
    Webberoni wrote: »

    There is another easy fix. No more honor sales at all. :p

    It‘s funny, just because they did something 2-3 times, we take it for granted and expect it to happen regulary, regardless it was never said so.

    As Automaton 2000 noted on a Timelines Talks episode, “there is no putting that genie back in the bottle”. A lot of folks who’ve horded honor would rage quit if honor sales ceased entirely. Making the honor deals permanent would work, I think. In addition to everything else they’ve done to ease honor debt: 390 and 490 packs, the paid tier of the campaign, honor in skirmishes, and whatever they’re planning with premium packs, that additional step would be appreciated (by me anyway) given the number of golds in the game. I don’t think it would break the game, either: it would just spread out what people are getting through the honor sale anyway for the most part. It would make the Honor Hall exclusives look ridiculously expensive: those would probably need to be permanently discounted as well (wouldn’t help me: I’ve got all of them already).

    Dropping them without a word would really tick off players, but that doesn't mean they're captaining the Kobayashi Maru. They could cap the amount of honor you can spend during a sale (200-400k?) so that players can carry on normally during the year while also getting that celebration hit from a sale. Or if they do stop the current honor sales, make that clear to players and do some other kind of impromptu, varied options for honor from time to time to keep players interested.

    But from what I understand, WRG doesn't want to A. let players know specifics about when sales/deals are coming B. have players sit on stockpiles waiting for unspecified sales/deals. Those two things seem to be at odds, currently.

    I've loved the last couple honor sales, but I'm not sure that it's worth making the rest of the year kind of boring. Either the player feels bad for missing out on some great value, or they feel bad for not progressing their roster much in the meantime. Sure, you could expect every player to budget accordingly and be responsible for their own enjoyment, but I think this one is on the company to solve.

    I like the idea of capping purchases, just like they already do for lots of other offers. That seems like the easiest solution. Keep the honor sales, keep them unannounced, but limit them to 2, 5 or 10 purchases.

    Not wanting players to stockpile seems ridiculous to me. If there's any chance that a particular sale/offer might come along in the future, at least some players will always save indefinitely. What's next, telling players not to stockpile premium pulls in advance of a long awaited portal update? Or telling players to use shuttle rental tokens daily, rather than stockpiling them for faction events?

    Wow, you must really want to see the pitchforks come out. Imagine the reaction from players who have hoarded vast quantities of honour being told they can only make limited purchases. If they are going to do that, it would be wise to have the next honour sale run as normal and then advise of a limitation for all future sales.

    Would it be a bit of a bummer to not be able to drop this monster stockpile all on a special sale?

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    Yeah, but knowing what the limit is would help me make smart choices about where and when the excess should be spent, which would be a net benefit for my enjoyment of the game.
  • Webberoni wrote: »
    What's next, telling players not to stockpile premium pulls in advance of a long awaited portal update?
    THAT is exactly what they are asking for in the latest news - but not portal update but some newly introduced functionality in the game.
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  • [CH] OsirisSonOfGeb[CH] OsirisSonOfGeb ✭✭✭✭✭
    I might ask Support for the 20 premium packs back that I blew for honour 48 hours ago. Typical. 🙄🙄
  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    Webberoni wrote: »
    What's next, telling players not to stockpile premium pulls in advance of a long awaited portal update?
    THAT is exactly what they are asking for in the latest news - but not portal update but some newly introduced functionality in the game.
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    They announced on January 6th that something was coming in a week and gave you a hint to hold on for seven days. This is not a "change your behaviour" request and everyone knows it.
  • Prime Lorca [10FH]Prime Lorca [10FH] ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is another easy fix. No more honor sales at all. :p

    It‘s funny, just because they did something 2-3 times, we take it for granted and expect it to happen regulary, regardless it was never said so.

    As Automaton 2000 noted on a Timelines Talks episode, “there is no putting that genie back in the bottle”. A lot of folks who’ve horded honor would rage quit if honor sales ceased entirely. Making the honor deals permanent would work, I think. In addition to everything else they’ve done to ease honor debt: 390 and 490 packs, the paid tier of the campaign, honor in skirmishes, and whatever they’re planning with premium packs, that additional step would be appreciated (by me anyway) given the number of golds in the game. I don’t think it would break the game, either: it would just spread out what people are getting through the honor sale anyway for the most part. It would make the Honor Hall exclusives look ridiculously expensive: those would probably need to be permanently discounted as well (wouldn’t help me: I’ve got all of them already).

    Dropping them without a word would really tick off players, but that doesn't mean they're captaining the Kobayashi Maru. They could cap the amount of honor you can spend during a sale (200-400k?) so that players can carry on normally during the year while also getting that celebration hit from a sale. Or if they do stop the current honor sales, make that clear to players and do some other kind of impromptu, varied options for honor from time to time to keep players interested.

    But from what I understand, WRG doesn't want to A. let players know specifics about when sales/deals are coming B. have players sit on stockpiles waiting for unspecified sales/deals. Those two things seem to be at odds, currently.

    I've loved the last couple honor sales, but I'm not sure that it's worth making the rest of the year kind of boring. Either the player feels bad for missing out on some great value, or they feel bad for not progressing their roster much in the meantime. Sure, you could expect every player to budget accordingly and be responsible for their own enjoyment, but I think this one is on the company to solve.

    One wrinkle that I think will make it harder for the company to solve regarding caps: how do they keep the revenue? There's got to be some bigger spenders out there who buy up those honor offers. I think someone said $100 gets you 10 citations and 9 beholds. The company will be hard pressed to get that kind of revenue if a cap were put in place.

    I don't see how they stop or cap honor sales without losing revenue.
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  • KanonKanon ✭✭✭
    The thing is, if there is going to be a new currency to buy cards... what do we want honor for? Maybe we are hoarding something that will soon become (more) useless
  • KPan [ISA]KPan [ISA] ✭✭✭
    Kanon wrote: »
    The thing is, if there is going to be a new currency to buy cards... what do we want honor for? Maybe we are hoarding something that will soon become (more) useless

    They wouldn't get rid of it without letting us spend it first. Worst case scenario we buy a bunch of citations with it.
    But what I suspect is that they will introduce a new way to use honor as well as the new currencies. They may want us to have a reason to spend honor instead of hoarding so much of it.
    What if the dabo sale uses honor? At what price point would you buy out the dabo wheel with honor? If 10 dilithium was equal to 10 honor (for dabo only, and for the limited sale only) would you buy out the wheel?
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