Home The Bridge

"Beowulf EMH" had a name - Schweitzer

Sky CapSky Cap ✭✭✭
edited November 17 in The Bridge
Really disappointed to see Lord Schweitzer go live today with the nonsensical name "Beowulf EMH." The Doctor took a name in that episode and it's a meaningful part of his character development, it should be the name of the card.

For those who haven't seen Heroes and Demons recently, and this apparently includes WRG's creative team: there is a malfunction in the holodeck and the Doctor goes on his first away mission to save the day. The program in question is Beowulf, with Harry Kim playing the title character. (This is why it makes sense for Beowulf Kim to have that name--he is in character as Beowulf!)

The Doctor is nervous and in a lovely moment between him and Kes, Kes suggests he choose a name, telling him, "It might help you feel more like a Starfleet officer." When the Doctor enters the program he soon meets Freya, and he introduces himself as Doctor Schweitzer. Throughout the episode, Freya and her fellow Danes call the EMH "Lord Schweitzer."

Schweitzer falls for Freya and they have a short romance together before Freya is tragically killed. Her last words are, "I die happily with your name on my lips. Farewell, Schweitzer." Back in sick bay at the end of the episode, the Doctor abandons the name, telling Janeway, "I'm not sure I want to keep it. The last time I heard that name spoken was a painful one. I don't think I want to be reminded."

This episode is a milestone for the Doctor and his adoption of a name underscores both the significance of the adventure he is about to go on and the loss he suffers at the end. For the card to be named "Beowulf EMH" instead of his actual name is lazy, careless, and terribly dismissive of the Doctor's character growth in the episode. Please rename the card Schweitzer (or Doctor Schweitzer or Lord Schweitzer) as befits the character and the episode.

hz6rjmnuiu6m.png

Comments

  • Captain IdolCaptain Idol ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also he's a terrible card. VOY #254 in a skill set that is so incredibly populated. Not even the tempation of filling out the Physician collection redeems him.

    I mean, good god it's more worthwhile just using CR than even glancing at this crew
    ldyx78ienwz9.png
  • IvanstoneIvanstone ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's literally the only Doctor in the game WITH NO MED whatsoever. This is terrible.

    From an event perspective this is a huge plus. I already have multiple Doctors with high MED.
    VIP 12 - 270 Crew Slots - 635 Immortals
  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    Personally, I don't care about another EMH. But I agree that the name is unfortunate. It would be much better changed.
  • TrollitaTrollita ✭✭✭✭
    Eh, who cares? It’s Voyager.

    *maniacal laughter*

    All trolling aside, this is actually pretty bad. This new crew manages to fail on all fronts that add desirability- traits, stats, love- Lacking traits and stats aside, I’d be pretty cheesed if he were one of my favorite characters, and the NAME WAS WRONG.

    What a mess.
    sstbtcd06t7o.png
  • DavideBooksDavideBooks ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think they were going for continuity with Beowolf Kim. They still could have used Beowolf at the beginning. Of course, had they done that, people would complain that he was hard to search for.
  • Sky CapSky Cap ✭✭✭
    I think they were going for continuity with Beowolf Kim. They still could have used Beowolf at the beginning. Of course, had they done that, people would complain that he was hard to search for.

    Yeah, "Beowulf Schweitzer" wouldn't be ideal, but it would at least honor the character and show they're paying attention. In-game search is already a complete mess so I don't see that as a factor at all. (Plug for DataCore, where search actually works, including if you search on "Schweitzer"!)
  • Trollita wrote: »
    Eh, who cares? It’s Voyager.

    janeway-voyager.gif

    otwswt0gf5bd.gif
    “What's a knockout like you doing in a computer-generated gin joint like this?”

    Check out my ‘Characters’ thread on the holodeck!

    Proud member of Patterns of Force
    Captain Level 89
    Played since January 2017

    TP: Do better!!!


  • Veterinary PhloxVeterinary Phlox ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think botantist is a stretch. he's providing one basic medical fact, and making a comparison between a historic profession and his "modern" one. He isn't actually demonstrating any depth of botanical knowledge or skill. Hero does seem like a good addition, and a fun choice.

    I also like "Schweitzer," especially next to Van Gogh. I can see the benefit to consistency with Beowulf Kim. However, my bigger concern is the ease of missing variants with unique names when searching for a character. The Doctor may be an exception given his already unique name situation, but given his rare skillset for the character, missing them during an EMH event would be unfortunate.
    Six degrees in Inter-species Veterinary Medicine. Treating all manner of critters, from Tribbles to Humans.

    Starport
  • DScottHewittDScottHewitt ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bylo Band wrote: »
    Addressing some of the points made from the perspective of being a massive Voyager fan, somebody who just watched this episode last week, and somebody who cares:

    1. I am 100% fine with him not having MED. He was used in this episode because he was a hologram, not a physician. At the start of the episode they beamed some energy into containers to study not realizing they were alive, and then a larger energy creature entered the holodeck that was currently in use and took over the roll of Grendel, and started converting the cast (first Kim and later Chakotay and Tuvok) into energy, so the only person that could safely investigate what was going on was the EMH. In this capacity he takes charge, charms Freya, and diplomatically resolves the issue. At no point does he do anything medical, so as far as I'm concerned his skills make sense.

    2. 100% the name needs changing. Period. My preference would be Lord Schweitzer, but Dr. Schweitzer or just Schweitzer would also be acceptable. But Beowulf EMH is not acceptable.

    3. Regarding traits, rather than rehash what Auto said, I will just throw my support for everything he said as every one of his assessments are 100% accurate/correct as far as I'm concerned.

    On #1, I think I caused a poo-storm by mentioning that he should not have had Medical when he was the President of Earth. So, I do not even know if they look at consistency at all.

    Just don't get me started on a medical doctor who used her specialty in the version that was first added to the game, and does not have "Physician" Trait.

    I'm fast coming to the conclusion that Skills & Traits are being used for balance, rather than episode accuracy. And I understand that. I imagine some Crew would have too many Traits if everything that applied to them was used for them. And some probably would be much more episode accurate with a fourth Skill. But I don't see that happening.

    Wonder Woman 84 has a mid-credits scene!!!!!
  • Commodore PackCommodore Pack ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 17
    Bylo Band wrote: »
    Addressing some of the points made from the perspective of being a massive Voyager fan, somebody who just watched this episode last week, and somebody who cares:

    1. I am 100% fine with him not having MED. He was used in this episode because he was a hologram, not a physician. At the start of the episode they beamed some energy into containers to study not realizing they were alive, and then a larger energy creature entered the holodeck that was currently in use and took over the roll of Grendel, and started converting the cast (first Kim and later Chakotay and Tuvok) into energy, so the only person that could safely investigate what was going on was the EMH. In this capacity he takes charge, charms Freya, and diplomatically resolves the issue. At no point does he do anything medical, so as far as I'm concerned his skills make sense.

    2. 100% the name needs changing. Period. My preference would be Lord Schweitzer, but Dr. Schweitzer or just Schweitzer would also be acceptable. But Beowulf EMH is not acceptable.

    3. Regarding traits, rather than rehash what Auto said, I will just throw my support for everything he said as every one of his assessments are 100% accurate/correct as far as I'm concerned.

    On #1, I think I caused a poo-storm by mentioning that he should not have had Medical when he was the President of Earth. So, I do not even know if they look at consistency at all.

    Just don't get me started on a medical doctor who used her specialty in the version that was first added to the game, and does not have "Physician" Trait.

    I'm fast coming to the conclusion that Skills & Traits are being used for balance, rather than episode accuracy. And I understand that. I imagine some Crew would have too many Traits if everything that applied to them was used for them. And some probably would be much more episode accurate with a fourth Skill. But I don't see that happening.

    And I would posit that as long as that is acknowledged up front by both players and administrators it would be better.

    The classic dilemma…

    Game Balance vs Verisimilitude.
    Glad it’s not my problem.


    1fdb2bo056sk.jpeg

  • Since no one mentioned the art yet, I'm gonna.

    It's hideous!

    His head looks disproportionate compared to his body, his pose looks unnatural, his uniform colour is too bright, his facial details barely resemble Robert Picardo and on top of all that, he's bloody orange!

    I don't have the slightest idea about how this came into existence. Doesn't WRG looks at the art before it's released or they just don't care?

    It is always disappointing to see a card with bad art to be released but this one is especially painful since Schweitzer (yes, that is the correct name, dear WRG) is from a popular early episode of Voyager and people requested him to be added since the launch of this game.

    I can live with bad stats if the art is great (e.g. Dreamwalker Chakotay) but he doesn't have a redeeming quality. I really hope WRG sorts this art issue out. Soon. Or otherwise I expect to see some people walking away from this game.
  • Veterinary PhloxVeterinary Phlox ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think botantist is a stretch. he's providing one basic medical fact, and making a comparison between a historic profession and his "modern" one. He isn't actually demonstrating any depth of botanical knowledge or skill.

    The Doctor is a botanist. Not only is he programmed with seemingly all medical-relevant texts on the subject ('an expert in the scientific study of plants' is the textbook definition), but he also practices the discipline at points in the series, such as the gene experiments with chrysanthemums in 'Tuvix'. The reason why it's not a character-wide trait (besides the fact that WRG is just very inconsistent with those applications) is that it's a niche discipline and not featured as heavily as, say, Mayweather's piloting ability.

    Its application here would also be consistent with existing Botanists. "A master of herb lore" is pretty much an exact description of Nona's botany abilities as well; "The kahn-ut-tu is the local witch people here. They've studied the roots and the herbs."

    It's been a long time since I've seen the episode, but I don't recall him practicing botany beyond providing that one fact. I could definitely see some Doctor variants having the trait, but with the evidence provided I personally think it's a stretch for this one.

    The Doctor also did historic research to come up with his name, but no one is arguing he should have the historian trait since it was a small point of the greater episode.
    Six degrees in Inter-species Veterinary Medicine. Treating all manner of critters, from Tribbles to Humans.

    Starport
  • I think botantist is a stretch. he's providing one basic medical fact, and making a comparison between a historic profession and his "modern" one. He isn't actually demonstrating any depth of botanical knowledge or skill.

    The Doctor is a botanist. Not only is he programmed with seemingly all medical-relevant texts on the subject ('an expert in the scientific study of plants' is the textbook definition), but he also practices the discipline at points in the series, such as the gene experiments with chrysanthemums in 'Tuvix'. The reason why it's not a character-wide trait (besides the fact that WRG is just very inconsistent with those applications) is that it's a niche discipline and not featured as heavily as, say, Mayweather's piloting ability.

    Its application here would also be consistent with existing Botanists. "A master of herb lore" is pretty much an exact description of Nona's botany abilities as well; "The kahn-ut-tu is the local witch people here. They've studied the roots and the herbs."

    It's been a long time since I've seen the episode, but I don't recall him practicing botany beyond providing that one fact. I could definitely see some Doctor variants having the trait, but with the evidence provided I personally think it's a stretch for this one.

    The Doctor also did historic research to come up with his name, but no one is arguing he should have the historian trait since it was a small point of the greater episode.

    He should have the historian trait because he did historic research to come up with his name, plus he was in a holoprogram which depicted history. :wink:
  • Shy Khan wrote: »
    I'm not sure how I feel about the artwork...

    s3v9pb178qiw.png

    The coloring seems a little off. (Needs more orange...)
  • Veterinary PhloxVeterinary Phlox ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think botantist is a stretch. he's providing one basic medical fact, and making a comparison between a historic profession and his "modern" one. He isn't actually demonstrating any depth of botanical knowledge or skill.

    The Doctor is a botanist. Not only is he programmed with seemingly all medical-relevant texts on the subject ('an expert in the scientific study of plants' is the textbook definition), but he also practices the discipline at points in the series, such as the gene experiments with chrysanthemums in 'Tuvix'. The reason why it's not a character-wide trait (besides the fact that WRG is just very inconsistent with those applications) is that it's a niche discipline and not featured as heavily as, say, Mayweather's piloting ability.

    Its application here would also be consistent with existing Botanists. "A master of herb lore" is pretty much an exact description of Nona's botany abilities as well; "The kahn-ut-tu is the local witch people here. They've studied the roots and the herbs."

    It's been a long time since I've seen the episode, but I don't recall him practicing botany beyond providing that one fact. I could definitely see some Doctor variants having the trait, but with the evidence provided I personally think it's a stretch for this one.

    The Doctor also did historic research to come up with his name, but no one is arguing he should have the historian trait since it was a small point of the greater episode.
    He should have the historian trait because he did historic research to come up with his name, plus he was in a holoprogram which depicted history. :wink:
    Curses! :D
    Six degrees in Inter-species Veterinary Medicine. Treating all manner of critters, from Tribbles to Humans.

    Starport
Sign In or Register to comment.