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  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    Saavik is missing the Romulan trait

    Saavik is not Romulan though, she's Vulcan.
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  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    Captain Thaduin Okona is missing pilot and maverick. He is the pilot and captain of his one-man cargo ship, and he also takes things into his own way of doing them. Those behaviours/skills a pilot and maverick make.
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  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Captain Thaduin Okona is missing pilot and maverick. He is the pilot and captain of his one-man cargo ship, and he also takes things into his own way of doing them. Those behaviours/skills a pilot and maverick make.

    Added!
  • [TGE] GTMET[TGE] GTMET ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just raising this as something that could be fixed before the event. Katra McCoy has the Vulcan trait because he has Spock's Katra. Burnham has Sarek's Katra, was raised Vulcan culturally, and has a Vulcan adopted father.

    This would be a good time to sort this out for consistency before the event starts.
  • robownagerobownage ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Agreed! If Sisko can get the Bajoran trait, there's zero reason not to give her Vulcan.
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  • Mirror CartmanMirror Cartman ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree, but logic clearly dictates that the views of the many outweigh the views of the few.

    https://forum.disruptorbeam.com/stt/discussion/4121/should-burnham-have-kept-the-part-alien-trait-for-cadet-challenges
  • AmphistaffAmphistaff ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is going to be especially relevant if they give Amanda the Vulcan trait. It mostly makes sense for her since she was married to Sarek for so long and adopted portions of Vulcan culture as her own. As robownage said, Sisko has the Bajoran trait and so does Rom because they were culturally tied together.
  • DralixDralix ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the species traits often have a lot to do with culture and not so much to do with biology. But part-alien does indeed seem to be based on biology.

    Someone once pointed out that this is especially the case with non-Federation cultures. A Human or Vulcan would also have the Federation trait as their cultural or political trait. But Romulan or Klingon covers both. So yes, Klingon Bride Jadzia does and should have the Klingon trait, along with Federation and Trill.
    My two cents- give her Vulcan, don’t count her as part-alien.

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  • Is there a reason why you ignored my post? Just wondering...
  • burnham should 100% have the vulcan trait.
  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like Seven of Nine to have more traits like Astrophysicist, Quantum Mechanic and Resourceful. Berlinghoff Rasmussen should have Thief and the Duras Sisters should have Brutal and Villain (both individuals and fused versions).

    Lon Suder should not have the Telepath trait and I don't think Picard should be considered an Astrophysicist.

    You make some good points.
    Seven is an Astrophysicist of sorts and Quantum Mechanics seems like a good fit as well.
    I don't think Resourceful is as clear-cut, because she was more by-the-book than innovative which would be more along the lines of resourceful.

    Berlinghoff should for sure have Thief.
    The Duras Sisters should have Villain and I think Brutal would also fit them.

    I also agree that Picard isn't an Astrophysicist, certain versions maybe, but not his regular captain versions.
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  • DraftedMcCoyDraftedMcCoy ✭✭✭✭
    Mintakan Riker had the Vulcan trait.

    Frankly, thats a stretch.
  • <TGE> Clifford<TGE> Clifford ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mintakan Riker had the Vulcan trait.

    Frankly, thats a stretch.

    Agreed. :smile:
  • DraftedMcCoyDraftedMcCoy ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    I mean I’ll take it for the mega event because I have him, but this is a misaligned trait. I know the Mintakans are proto-vulcans, but he is just dressed like them
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there a reason why you ignored my post? Just wondering...

    I was a bit distracted when I first saw it and meant to circle back to it and just forgot. I added Berlinghoff Rasmussen (Thief), B'Etor, Lursa, and The Duras Sisters (Brutal, Villain), and most of the Sevens (Astrophysics, Quantum Mechanics).

    I left out Drone Seven of Nine because her knowledge of those things wasn't necessarily her own. Contrarily, as Seven on Voyager, she worked in the astrometrics lab and once cited quantum mechanics as an interest of hers.

    Also, I'm reluctant to address the following traits as they're simply too broad and nebulously applied to really understand why DB has given them (or not) to any particular crew:

    Crafty
    Explorer
    Resourceful

    For instance, so far as I'm concerned, anyone who's a Jury Rigger is also by definition Resourceful, and yet I don't think there are any crew members who have both of those traits.
  • Saavik is missing the Romulan trait

    Saavik is not Romulan though, she's Vulcan.

    Saavik is Half Romulan, it’s non cannon but one of the producers said it.
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  • Thanks for addressing my suggestions ☺! To back the one about Lon Suder, here is a quote from Lon Suder himself from the episode Meld:
    "Most Betazoids can sense other people's emotions. I can't even sense my own."

    He wasn't a Telepath not even an empath despite being Betazoid
  • <TGE> Clifford<TGE> Clifford ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there a reason why you ignored my post? Just wondering...

    I was a bit distracted when I first saw it and meant to circle back to it and just forgot. I added Berlinghoff Rasmussen (Thief), B'Etor, Lursa, and The Duras Sisters (Brutal, Villain), and most of the Sevens (Astrophysics, Quantum Mechanics).

    I left out Drone Seven of Nine because her knowledge of those things wasn't necessarily her own. Contrarily, as Seven on Voyager, she worked in the astrometrics lab and once cited quantum mechanics as an interest of hers.

    Also, I'm reluctant to address the following traits as they're simply too broad and nebulously applied to really understand why DB has given them (or not) to any particular crew:

    Crafty
    Explorer
    Resourceful

    For instance, so far as I'm concerned, anyone who's a Jury Rigger is also by definition Resourceful, and yet I don't think there are any crew members who have both of those traits.

    Out of 30 Jury Riggers, five of them also have the Resourceful trait, by my count. Mirror ‘Smiley’ O’Brien, Laborer Spock, Rianna Mayweather, Niners Rom, and Lily Sloane.
  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    Saavik is missing the Romulan trait

    Saavik is not Romulan though, she's Vulcan.

    Saavik is Half Romulan, it’s non cannon but one of the producers said it.

    In this thread, I don't think we have enough power to say if non-canon things should be included.
    Non-canonical things can really only be brought forth by DB themselves.
    So for that situation, I'm going to say Saavik doesn't need the Romulan trait.
    Now if DB comes forth and says they're using the non-canon version of her, then I will change my mind.
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  • Get ready:

    Since Sarek is the Vulcan ambassador, all versions need Ambassador

    Resistance Neelix needs Courier

    Groundskeeper Boothby maybe needs the gardener trait (not so sure though)

    I don't think Vic Fontaine is a merchant, so that needs to be removed

    Morn was apart of the Lisseppian Mothers Day Heist, so he needs the thief trait


    Anyone add these yet
  • DralixDralix ✭✭✭✭✭
    I mean I’ll take it for the mega event because I have him, but this is a misaligned trait. I know the Mintakans are proto-vulcans, but he is just dressed like them

    Like Romulan Kirk. Or Romulan Data.
  • <TGE> Clifford<TGE> Clifford ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dralix wrote: »
    I mean I’ll take it for the mega event because I have him, but this is a misaligned trait. I know the Mintakans are proto-vulcans, but he is just dressed like them

    Like Romulan Kirk. Or Romulan Data.

    Except that Kirk and Data were actually dressed like Romulans.

    Riker isn’t even dressed as a Vulcan.
  • DralixDralix ✭✭✭✭✭
    Except that Kirk and Data were actually dressed like Romulans.

    Riker isn’t even dressed as a Vulcan.

    The Mintakans were described as proto-Vulcan, so I'll cut DB slack on just giving them the Vulcan trait.
  • [TGE] GTMET[TGE] GTMET ✭✭✭✭✭
    Undercover agents (not costumed). North Star archer, North Star tucker, laborer Spock, gangster Spock, colonel Karr, trader odo, disguised tuvok

    North Star tucker and archer missing federation

    Princess Jadzia and blood oath Jadzia missing exobiologist

    Gangster Spock missing exobiologist

    All Burnham missing Vulcan (if katra McCoy is Vulcan and Sisko is bajoran she should be Vulcan)


  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there a reason why you ignored my post? Just wondering...

    I was a bit distracted when I first saw it and meant to circle back to it and just forgot. I added Berlinghoff Rasmussen (Thief), B'Etor, Lursa, and The Duras Sisters (Brutal, Villain), and most of the Sevens (Astrophysics, Quantum Mechanics).

    I left out Drone Seven of Nine because her knowledge of those things wasn't necessarily her own. Contrarily, as Seven on Voyager, she worked in the astrometrics lab and once cited quantum mechanics as an interest of hers.

    Also, I'm reluctant to address the following traits as they're simply too broad and nebulously applied to really understand why DB has given them (or not) to any particular crew:

    Crafty
    Explorer
    Resourceful

    For instance, so far as I'm concerned, anyone who's a Jury Rigger is also by definition Resourceful, and yet I don't think there are any crew members who have both of those traits.

    Out of 30 Jury Riggers, five of them also have the Resourceful trait, by my count. Mirror ‘Smiley’ O’Brien, Laborer Spock, Rianna Mayweather, Niners Rom, and Lily Sloane.

    The truly embarrassing part about this is that I have four of those five examples. Still, that leaves 25 Jury Riggers who somehow aren't Resourceful.
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Get ready:

    Since Sarek is the Vulcan ambassador, all versions need Ambassador

    Resistance Neelix needs Courier

    Groundskeeper Boothby maybe needs the gardener trait (not so sure though)

    I don't think Vic Fontaine is a merchant, so that needs to be removed

    Morn was apart of the Lisseppian Mothers Day Heist, so he needs the thief trait


    Anyone add these yet

    Done.
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