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  • Cadet Wesley Crusher - shouldn't he be a pilot? If memory serves, that whole episode centered around a near-impossible maneuver that he and his squad mates performed (led by Cadet Locarno, played by Robert Duncan McNeill), except the one squad mate who died didn't have the nerve to execute it right. Makes this version of Wesley actually an ace pilot. Odd that he doesn't have any command skill, too, since piloting seems to fall in that category.

    Yes, I agree. Wesley should have Pilot in that form. Com or not, he should have the trait.

    Also, I think High Command when on Romulans is suppose to represent a subgroup in the military. Certain really high ranking generals and admirals.

    Speaking of the Tal Shiar, I really think Sela needs that trait. Now that they’ve finally made a Tal Shiar trait, they should give it to all their members. Sela was an agent of the Tal Shiar, so she needs the trait. Also, I’ve seen that the Spy trait is still in use on some crew members so think Sela deserves that as well. I mean, she’s not an Undercover Operative but Spy would fit the bill nicely.
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  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking at all these traits, I think DB needs to sit down and come up with some short definitions of what each of these traits are and mean.

    Also looking at Resistance Neelix, courier makes sense, but I think smuggler should also be added. He's smuggling secret allied information to the resistance with his wine bottles and whatever other methods he uses.
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  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking at all these traits, I think DB needs to sit down and come up with some short definitions of what each of these traits are and mean.

    Also looking at Resistance Neelix, courier makes sense, but I think smuggler should also be added. He's smuggling secret allied information to the resistance with his wine bottles and whatever other methods he uses.

    A clear glossary would definitely be helpful all around. In particular...

    Costumed
    This has often seemed to mean instances where a crew member is basically playing dress-up, whether for recreational purposes (holodeck stuff) or involuntarily (Q forcing the TNG crew to reenact Robin Hood). Sometimes, though, it has also been applied to crew member wearing disguises in (Romulan Picard). A Disguised trait would certainly help clarify.

    Spy vs. Undercover Operative
    This one is confusing because Spy was eliminated for awhile, consolidated into Undercover Operative, and then reintroduced without any further reconciliation between the two. They aren't strictly the same thing; Garak is a spy, but doesn't bother with any cover. Disguised Kira is undercover, but she's not really doing any espionage work.

    Crafty
    My best reading of this is that it's synonymous for "sneaky", meaning not just clever, but clever for the intended purpose of trying to get away with something underhanded. Cadet Sito Jaxa, for instance, was trying to be crafty in her part of the cover-up (why doesn't Cadet Wesley Crusher also have this trait?).

    Any clarification @Shan , @Black Pebble , and/or @Admiral Prince might offer would be greatly appreciated!
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2018
    Crafty
    My best reading of this is that it's synonymous for "sneaky", meaning not just clever, but clever for the intended purpose of trying to get away with something underhanded. Cadet Sito Jaxa, for instance, was trying to be crafty in her part of the cover-up (why doesn't Cadet Wesley Crusher also have this trait?).

    I think Cadet Wesley didn't get the trait because he was terrible at being crafty/sneaky. The others wanted him to be crafty, and he couldn't hack it. He looked guilty and was moping from the first minute. No craftiness in him.
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  • JhamelJhamel ✭✭✭✭✭
    We need more Jury Riggers anyway ... with 25 as maximum threshold reward level and Vulcans only at 10 maximum with more Vulcans than Jury Riggers!

    Anyway, The Viceroy shouldn't be Romulan, just Reman in my opinion.
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  • TheRiovTheRiov ✭✭
    edited May 2018
    He’s romulan affiliation reman subspecies
    And if Mintakan Riker and troi get Vulcan why can’t he be romulan?
  • JhamelJhamel ✭✭✭✭✭
    But Shinzon only has Reman trait (he was taken away the Romulan trait some months ago).
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  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyway, The Viceroy shouldn't be Romulan, just Reman in my opinion.
    But Shinzon only has Reman trait (he was taken away the Romulan trait some months ago).

    "Romulan" serves as a biological, cultural, and political/legal designation all at once, but it doesn't have to be all three in order to be applicable. Shinzon and The Viceroy are subjects of the Romulan Star Empire even when they were slaves, and in the personae of their cards in the game, they're depicted after the coup in which Shinzon has become Praetor, and The Viceroy, um, Viceroy. Those are official political functions. I'm sure this is discussed somewhere already in this thread, but I'm too lazy to go looking for it.

    Might be worthwhile to put together an FAQ section for some of these.
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Romulan" serves as a biological, cultural, and political/legal designation all at once, but it doesn't have to be all three in order to be applicable. Shinzon and The Viceroy are subjects of the Romulan Star Empire even when they were slaves, and in the personae of their cards in the game, they're depicted after the coup in which Shinzon has become Praetor, and The Viceroy, um, Viceroy. Those are official political functions. I'm sure this is discussed somewhere already in this thread, but I'm too lazy to go looking for it.

    Might be worthwhile to put together an FAQ section for some of these.

    Yes. For humans, there are different political designations -- Federation, Terran, Maquis, etc. -- but for anyone who's a part of the Romulan Star Empire, they're Romulan in addition to being their species (which might also be Romulan, or might not).
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  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    Different issue: the musician trait. Having a hard time understanding why all Datas are musicians, but no Rikers except Jazz Musician Riker. Either it's only the version of a character where they show musical ability, or it's every version of them from the universe/timeline where they show the ability. Either way, though, not sure why Mirror Vic Fontaine is a musician. This trait is messed up.
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  • Different issue: the musician trait. Having a hard time understanding why all Datas are musicians, but no Rikers except Jazz Musician Riker. Either it's only the version of a character where they show musical ability, or it's every version of them from the universe/timeline where they show the ability. Either way, though, not sure why Mirror Vic Fontaine is a musician. This trait is messed up.

    We only see Mirror Vic for like 15 seconds so I guess the guys at DB just decided that Mirror Fontaine liked to sing in his off hours, when he wasn’t bounty hunting or whatever else he, Brunt, and Ezri got up to. Maybe he was known as the “Singing Assassin” over in the Mirror Universe, lol.
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  • ·§ë· For the Many·§ë· For the Many ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2018
    All versions of The Doctor (EMH) should have "physician" trait. Currently, Command Hologram and The President of Earth don't have it. I've re-watched the episodes for both those crew, and his MED abilities weren't removed for being in command or chillin on the holodeck. In Workforce parts 1 & 2, he was performing surgeries and other physician duties on crew members in sickbay.

    The new Virtuoso Doctor should still have physician too, as he was considering having his medical database removed but Torres convinced him not to.

    Princess Jadzia should have "exobiology".
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    Different issue: the musician trait. Having a hard time understanding why all Datas are musicians, but no Rikers except Jazz Musician Riker. Either it's only the version of a character where they show musical ability, or it's every version of them from the universe/timeline where they show the ability. Either way, though, not sure why Mirror Vic Fontaine is a musician. This trait is messed up.

    We only see Mirror Vic for like 15 seconds so I guess the guys at DB just decided that Mirror Fontaine liked to sing in his off hours, when he wasn’t bounty hunting or whatever else he, Brunt, and Ezri got up to. Maybe he was known as the “Singing Assassin” over in the Mirror Universe, lol.

    Haha, the singing assassin! Or maybe his phaser/disruptor pistols double as maracas.

    Seriously though:

    SHOULD BE REMOVED:

    Mirror Vic Fontaine - Musician
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  • DimeDrlDimeDrl ✭✭✭
    edited May 2018
    Automated Unit 3947 - Change Automated Unit to Android

    Automated Unit 3947 is the only character in the game with the "Automated Unit" trait. The trait seems to be used absolutely nowhere.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Automated_Unit_3947
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Automated_Personnel_Unit

    And Automated Unit 3947 is identified as an android in most reference material. Changing the trait to "Android" might make the character less skipable in beholds and less likely to be airlocked as well.
  • JhamelJhamel ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hope Alan-A-Dale will get the sorely needed Jury Rigger trait.
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  • Different issue: the musician trait. Having a hard time understanding why all Datas are musicians, but no Rikers except Jazz Musician Riker. Either it's only the version of a character where they show musical ability, or it's every version of them from the universe/timeline where they show the ability. Either way, though, not sure why Mirror Vic Fontaine is a musician. This trait is messed up.

    We only see Mirror Vic for like 15 seconds so I guess the guys at DB just decided that Mirror Fontaine liked to sing in his off hours, when he wasn’t bounty hunting or whatever else he, Brunt, and Ezri got up to. Maybe he was known as the “Singing Assassin” over in the Mirror Universe, lol.

    Haha, the singing assassin! Or maybe his phaser/disruptor pistols double as maracas.

    Seriously though:

    SHOULD BE REMOVED:

    Mirror Vic Fontaine - Musician

    Thanks!

    They finally gave Moogie Rich and Crafty but she still lacks Caregiver. She’s still and always a mom, so she should have that trait as well.
    Weirdly enough, I’m also Vulcan Housewife. Also, RNGesus hates me, like really, REALLY hates me.
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    Different issue: the musician trait. Having a hard time understanding why all Datas are musicians, but no Rikers except Jazz Musician Riker. Either it's only the version of a character where they show musical ability, or it's every version of them from the universe/timeline where they show the ability. Either way, though, not sure why Mirror Vic Fontaine is a musician. This trait is messed up.

    We only see Mirror Vic for like 15 seconds so I guess the guys at DB just decided that Mirror Fontaine liked to sing in his off hours, when he wasn’t bounty hunting or whatever else he, Brunt, and Ezri got up to. Maybe he was known as the “Singing Assassin” over in the Mirror Universe, lol.

    Haha, the singing assassin! Or maybe his phaser/disruptor pistols double as maracas.

    Seriously though:

    SHOULD BE REMOVED:

    Mirror Vic Fontaine - Musician

    Thanks!

    They finally gave Moogie Rich and Crafty but she still lacks Caregiver. She’s still and always a mom, so she should have that trait as well.

    Good point. I agree.
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  • DralixDralix ✭✭✭✭✭
    They finally gave Moogie Rich and Crafty but she still lacks Caregiver. She’s still and always a mom, so she should have that trait as well.

    Not all versions of Crusher have Caregiver. At some point, even if they still cry for their Moogie when captured by 20th century hew-mons, Ferengi children grow up and care for themselves. I don't think every parent should have Caregiver, otherwise just call it Parent.
  • TheRiovTheRiov ✭✭
    Moogie specifically prechews her kids food and cared for zek
  • Travis S McClainTravis S McClain ✭✭✭✭✭
    Revised the OP to organize by trait rather than by character. The list had grown so long it seemed harder to read and follow that way. I've added all the Rikers to Musician. Princess Jadzia was already on the list for Exobiology. Also added Android to Automated Unit 3947, but did not suggest removing Automated Unit as a trait, given that it's the kind of Android it is.
  • Dralix wrote: »
    They finally gave Moogie Rich and Crafty but she still lacks Caregiver. She’s still and always a mom, so she should have that trait as well.

    Not all versions of Crusher have Caregiver. At some point, even if they still cry for their Moogie when captured by 20th century hew-mons, Ferengi children grow up and care for themselves. I don't think every parent should have Caregiver, otherwise just call it Parent.

    She’s a Caregiver in every sense of the word, every time we see her, so I heartily disagree with your assessment. It doesn’t matter that they’re adults, she still treats them like her children, especially Rom. Just watch the episodes with her in them.
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  • Think it would be appropriate for Enterprise E Picard to have Borg trait, and Seven of Nine to have Astrophysicist along with brutal.
  • GhostStalkerGhostStalker ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beowulf Kim needs Hero.
  • Prime Lorca [10FH]Prime Lorca [10FH] ✭✭✭✭✭
    I forget which one it is, but either Prisoner McCoy or Prisoner Michael Burnham is missing the Prisoner Trait. I think it's McCoy.
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  • Lorca really should have the Terran trait
  • Matt_DeckerMatt_Decker ✭✭✭✭✭
    _JR_ wrote: »
    Lorca really should have the Terran trait

    And undercover operative. And crafty.
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  • _JR_ wrote: »
    Lorca really should have the Terran trait

    And undercover operative. And crafty.

    And Mirror Universe.
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  • DimeDrlDimeDrl ✭✭✭
    edited May 2018
    If Tieran-Possessed Kes has the MED stat, she should have the Nurse trait. If she's gonna have MED, she should have some type of MED trait to match it. Also, its still Kes.
  • ElimElim ✭✭✭
    Nexus Kirk should have the Temporal Agent Trait.

    Stranded Odo should lose the Changling Trait and have it replaced with Human

    All Vorta should have the Telekenetic trait

  • Lady GaghgaghLady Gaghgagh ✭✭✭✭✭
    DimeDrl wrote: »
    If Tieran-Possessed Kes has the MED stat, she should have the Nurse trait. If she's gonna have MED, she should have some type of MED trait to match it. Also, its still Kes.

    I don't know if I agree here. I get your point, but a trait doesn't preclude a skill or act as its requirement.
    For example Anij has MED, but no trait which specifically aligns with that skill. You can't argue Caregiver, because Keiko has that trait as well and she has no MED.

    As for Nurse and Kes specifically, Tieran has completely taken her over. None of his actions through her body which he performs are Nurse-based. A Nurse is a profession, MED is just a skill one can have without being a Nurse. So Tieran Kes is not a Nurse in any official capacity that Kes is when she's her normal self, because he doesn't do any nursing as her; however, he does retain complete knowledge of her MED skills just like he is able to use her telekinetic powers.

    Which actually that brings up a new point...
    Tieran Kes needs the Telekinetic trait.
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